those six years that you spend running and then governing, it takes a lot out of even somebody as young as president obama. >> and if you need any reminding of how tough the job is, look no further than barack obama, all the times you have interviewed him from start to finish, his hair has turned white. people are blaming you. >> i don't think that's the case, piers. >> steve, it's been a pleasure talking to you. it was fantastic television just to see those two sitting there, taking questions, and i salute you. well done. >> thank you, piers. >> guns are squarely at the top of president obama's agenda tonight. 38 days after the tragedy at newtown, he and vice president joe biden met with police chiefs and sheriffs in cities across the country including utah, aurora, colorado, and oak creek, wisconsin. joining me three men who were at that meeting. charles ramsey, john edwards, and sheriff fitzgerald. welcome to you all. let me start with you, if i may, please, commissioner ramsey. what was your overview of how the meeting went? i suppose the key question is what do you collectively thi